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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by Benjamin Sargent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Sargent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great comments everyone and thanks for taking the time. I&#039;m going to continue to stalk your blog, and I&#039;m also looking into the membership. I too am a fan of demolishing the existing business model in favor of something that meets the needs of the best and brightest of the future, and I think there&#039;s a great opportunity to &quot;re-brand&quot; accounting into something a lot more fun and useful than filling out forms and verifying information. I&#039;m looking forward to throwing some ideas around with this group.

Thanks!

-Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, great comments everyone and thanks for taking the time. I&#8217;m going to continue to stalk your blog, and I&#8217;m also looking into the membership. I too am a fan of demolishing the existing business model in favor of something that meets the needs of the best and brightest of the future, and I think there&#8217;s a great opportunity to &#8220;re-brand&#8221; accounting into something a lot more fun and useful than filling out forms and verifying information. I&#8217;m looking forward to throwing some ideas around with this group.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>-Ben</p>
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		<title>Comment on The THRIVEcast by &#183; Help Wanted: Oh, No! What Do We Do Now?</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#183; Help Wanted: Oh, No! What Do We Do Now?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Jason Blumer Speaker &amp; Thought Leader by &#183; Help Wanted: Oh, No! What Do We Do Now?</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#183; Help Wanted: Oh, No! What Do We Do Now?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 01:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by Magen Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 01:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great great comments here! Benjamin, you should really consider joining us in Thriveal. We have lots of great discussions there about value pricing, ROWE, networking, blowing stuff up, etc. But be warned, we will push you into firm ownership. I am a millennial as well and run my own firm. 

The traditional CPA firm really doesn&#039;t teach anything. Well, not anything good. I didn&#039;t learn taxes (According to Jody), I don&#039;t think I learned much accounting, I couldn&#039;t talk to clients so I didn&#039;t learn selling or problem solving. What I did learn was how to fill out a time sheet and punch numbers into software. I also learned that there had to be a better way to serve customer and make a difference in their lives. Zoom into me leaving the traditional firm. 

Anyway, good post Greg!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great great comments here! Benjamin, you should really consider joining us in Thriveal. We have lots of great discussions there about value pricing, ROWE, networking, blowing stuff up, etc. But be warned, we will push you into firm ownership. I am a millennial as well and run my own firm. </p>
<p>The traditional CPA firm really doesn&#8217;t teach anything. Well, not anything good. I didn&#8217;t learn taxes (According to Jody), I don&#8217;t think I learned much accounting, I couldn&#8217;t talk to clients so I didn&#8217;t learn selling or problem solving. What I did learn was how to fill out a time sheet and punch numbers into software. I also learned that there had to be a better way to serve customer and make a difference in their lives. Zoom into me leaving the traditional firm. </p>
<p>Anyway, good post Greg!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by Greg Kyte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Kyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 18:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin-

There&#039;s a lot to unpack here. First off, before becoming a CPA, I was a middle school math teacher. In public education, you climb up the pay scale two ways: longevity and further education. Nothing else. You could be the crappiest teacher in the district, but if you were there for 28 years and had a PhD., you had the highest pay. Most CPA firms have a similar M.O., and it&#039;s hugely de-motivational to your best people.

I have always thought it was effed up that CPA firms bill by the hour, but pay their employees on salary. It&#039;s like buying gold by the pound and selling it by the foot. Since I hate the GD billable hour model, I say keep your people on salary and start value pricing. 

Jason (above) once said, &quot;If you suck, you suck at everything.&quot; The billable hour sucks, and it makes everything else suck. There is no value-based compensation under the billable hour model. Under that schema, your ONLY value is attendance based, specifically time spent on billable work.

Value-based compensation requires at least three components. First, you can&#039;t bill by the hour. Second, the firm must ensure quality hiring and retention. If HR sucks, everything sucks. Third, management (or partners or whatever) needs to have the balls to (a) give exceptional employees more compensation regardless of their tenure and (b) develop true value in their staff by making every employee exceptionally valuable to customers (as opposed to an exceptional cog in the firm&#039;s wheel). Developing indispensably valuable staff requires management to take lots of time to reflect on what is valuable to begin with which is a lot harder than it sounds.

Ron Baker says that Peter Drucker says that all knowledge workers are volunteers - not employees - and they need to be treated as such. Some of the best in our profession (and in the teaching profession) leave because their true value is not recognized and is not properly compensated.

It&#039;s fun to pretend like I know what I&#039;m talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin-</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to unpack here. First off, before becoming a CPA, I was a middle school math teacher. In public education, you climb up the pay scale two ways: longevity and further education. Nothing else. You could be the crappiest teacher in the district, but if you were there for 28 years and had a PhD., you had the highest pay. Most CPA firms have a similar M.O., and it&#8217;s hugely de-motivational to your best people.</p>
<p>I have always thought it was effed up that CPA firms bill by the hour, but pay their employees on salary. It&#8217;s like buying gold by the pound and selling it by the foot. Since I hate the GD billable hour model, I say keep your people on salary and start value pricing. </p>
<p>Jason (above) once said, &#8220;If you suck, you suck at everything.&#8221; The billable hour sucks, and it makes everything else suck. There is no value-based compensation under the billable hour model. Under that schema, your ONLY value is attendance based, specifically time spent on billable work.</p>
<p>Value-based compensation requires at least three components. First, you can&#8217;t bill by the hour. Second, the firm must ensure quality hiring and retention. If HR sucks, everything sucks. Third, management (or partners or whatever) needs to have the balls to (a) give exceptional employees more compensation regardless of their tenure and (b) develop true value in their staff by making every employee exceptionally valuable to customers (as opposed to an exceptional cog in the firm&#8217;s wheel). Developing indispensably valuable staff requires management to take lots of time to reflect on what is valuable to begin with which is a lot harder than it sounds.</p>
<p>Ron Baker says that Peter Drucker says that all knowledge workers are volunteers &#8211; not employees &#8211; and they need to be treated as such. Some of the best in our profession (and in the teaching profession) leave because their true value is not recognized and is not properly compensated.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fun to pretend like I know what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by thriveal</title>
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		<dc:creator>thriveal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 18:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, we are doing this in our firm!  We have what&#039;s called a ROWE (results-only work environment).  No dress codes, no employment agreements, no vacation time, no timesheets, no nothing!  You are valuable simply by what you achieve.  To be truthful, we are in the process of rethinking how we pay our people and we want to move to a value-based, results-only pay, but it must be implemented slowly over time.

Thanks Benjamin!  Great questions.  BTW, you need to be in THRIVEal dude: http://thriveal.com/thriveal-cpa-network-membership/ Your people are there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, we are doing this in our firm!  We have what&#8217;s called a ROWE (results-only work environment).  No dress codes, no employment agreements, no vacation time, no timesheets, no nothing!  You are valuable simply by what you achieve.  To be truthful, we are in the process of rethinking how we pay our people and we want to move to a value-based, results-only pay, but it must be implemented slowly over time.</p>
<p>Thanks Benjamin!  Great questions.  BTW, you need to be in THRIVEal dude: <a href="http://thriveal.com/thriveal-cpa-network-membership/" rel="nofollow">http://thriveal.com/thriveal-cpa-network-membership/</a> Your people are there!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by Benjamin Sargent</title>
		<link>http://thriveal.com/2012/05/05/how-to-turn-smart-people-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-4469</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Sargent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 16:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Greg,

Great post. I&#039;m low-man on the totem pole and the only millenial on staff in my firm, so I&#039;m going to push your point one further: What do you think about how staff get compensated? I&#039;m lobbying hard for a value based compensation plan in our office because it seems like the industry standard for accountant&#039;s value is &quot;attendance based&quot; compensation: the longer you don&#039;t get fired, the more you get paid. In a value based billing environment, is it possible to have professionals without vacation time? without timecards and without standard office hours? 

It obviously requires the right staff, but I&#039;d be curious for your thoughts because I like your enthusiasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg,</p>
<p>Great post. I&#8217;m low-man on the totem pole and the only millenial on staff in my firm, so I&#8217;m going to push your point one further: What do you think about how staff get compensated? I&#8217;m lobbying hard for a value based compensation plan in our office because it seems like the industry standard for accountant&#8217;s value is &#8220;attendance based&#8221; compensation: the longer you don&#8217;t get fired, the more you get paid. In a value based billing environment, is it possible to have professionals without vacation time? without timecards and without standard office hours? </p>
<p>It obviously requires the right staff, but I&#8217;d be curious for your thoughts because I like your enthusiasm.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by thriveal</title>
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		<dc:creator>thriveal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 16:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought scope &#039;seep&#039; was when Greg Kyte&#039;s diaper leaked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought scope &#8216;seep&#8217; was when Greg Kyte&#8217;s diaper leaked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by Ed Kless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Kless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 15:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat post, Greg. 

One minor quibble - the phenomenon you are description is called scope seep, not scope creep. Scope creep is when the customer asks for more than what was originally on the scope document and the professional does not properly process a change request/order. Scoop seep is when the professional does something over and above what the customer asks for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neat post, Greg. </p>
<p>One minor quibble &#8211; the phenomenon you are description is called scope seep, not scope creep. Scope creep is when the customer asks for more than what was originally on the scope document and the professional does not properly process a change request/order. Scoop seep is when the professional does something over and above what the customer asks for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Turn Smart People Stupid by Greg Kyte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Kyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 14:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jody - That&#039;s super insightful! And I think most CPAs would agree with the idea that staff need to learn how to do taxes and not just UltraTax. But behaviorally, they will favor the short term rewards of the status quo, and they have the rationalization that when they were staff they &quot;eventually figured it out.&quot; 

How do we battle DIY bookkeeping?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jody &#8211; That&#8217;s super insightful! And I think most CPAs would agree with the idea that staff need to learn how to do taxes and not just UltraTax. But behaviorally, they will favor the short term rewards of the status quo, and they have the rationalization that when they were staff they &#8220;eventually figured it out.&#8221; </p>
<p>How do we battle DIY bookkeeping?</p>
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